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What does the Suspension Fluid do?

In addition to providing a lubricating and cooling bath for the dampers and bushings of the fork and shock to function in, the suspension fluid is the medium that is used to provide damping in a modern system.

Essentially, the oil is forced through an orifice or past a spring loaded shim to creating a resistive force to the action of the shocks. Aside from other changes that effect damping, the viscosity of the oil and how the viscosity changes as the oil heats up will be large factors in the system.

Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF)

For years, ATF has been the standard fluid for damper rod forks. Why? Of all the commonly available automotive fluids capable of being used in the system, ATF is manufactured within a very, very tight and suitable viscosity range, esentially ISO 34.

This means that if you are in Florida or Mongolia, AFT is going to be available and consistant. This is a very important bit of information for the mechanic.

ATF is far too thick to be used in a modern cartridge damper fork. These forks tend to use oils in the ISO 16 range.

Viscosity (ISO)

Modern fluid viscosity ratings are on an ISO VG (visocosity grade) using test standards set down by ASTM D-2422-97 (2002)& ISO 3448:1992 system of: cSt@40C / cSt@100C / VI. ‘cSt’ stands for CentiStokes, an accurate dynamic measure of viscosity (ISO 3104:1994 & ASTM D445-04). Using these numbers, you can tune oil viscosity with a very high degree of precision in a specific heat range. A straight line graph made from these two viscosity numbers at each temperature can give a very close approximation of the oils viscosity at any other usable temperature.

ISO Grades Courtesy of Shell Oil. 

SAE Oil Weight

DO NOT GO BY LABLED OIL WEIGHT! Not only is this a poor way to decide which oil to use, but each manufacturer seems to be on a different scale. For example Maxima RSF 7wt is actually lighter than Spectro 5wt and Silkolene Pro RSF 7.5wt is actually heavier than Showa SS-8 10wt. This is not a judgment about the quality of these oils, just that the 'weight' label leads to a lot of trouble when trying to tune with suspension oils.

These problems can be seem graphically by comparing several systems to each other. Viscosity comparison chart Courtesy of Shell Oil.

Suspension oil is labeled by weight because consumers are used to thinking of oil (ie. motor oil & gear oil) in these terms. The SAE weight system has a very broad and vague viscosity range and does not even cover the viscosity range that most quality motorcycle suspension systems require. Another point of confusion is that motor oils and gear oils are rated for viscosity on the SAE scale at different temperatures, leading to similar viscosity oils having very different ratings. SAE J300 is used to define engine oils, while SAE J306 is used to define drive line (gear) and chassis lubricants.

SAE Motor Oil Grade	cSt @100C
0W	-3.8
5W	3.8 - 4.1
10W	4.1 - 5.6
15W	-5.6
##W-20	9.3 - 12.5
##W-40	12.5 - 16.3
##W-50	16.3 - 21.9
##W-60	21.9 - 26.1

 

SAE Gear Oil Grade	cSt @100C
70W	4.1+
75W	4.1+
80W	7+
85W	11+
90W	13.5 - 24.5
140W	24.0 - 41
250W	41+

Saybolt Universal Second (SUS)

Some oils are labeled on the SUS / VI (ie. 85/150) or Saybolt Universal Second / Viscosity Index. Although this is slightly better system than using SAE 'weights', the Saybolt Universal Second is considered antiquated, is vague and is not a valid viscosity reference. ASTM D88-94(1999).

A rough conversion table from SUS grades is HERE. A very, very rough conversion table from SAE gear and motor oil grades is HERE.

Conversion from SUS to ISO Courtesy of Shell. (Assumes VI of 95)

Viscosity Index

The Viscosity Index is very important in a suspension oil. “The viscosity index (V.I.) of an oil is a number that indicates the effect of temperature changes on the viscosity of the oil. A low V.I. signifies a relatively large change of viscosity with changes of temperature. In other words, the oil becomes extremely thin at high temperatures and extremely thick at low temperatures. On the other hand, a high V.I. signifies relatively little change in viscosity over a wide temperature range.” So specifically with regard to suspension, the greater the VI, the more consistent the damping will be over a large temp change.

ASTM D2270-04 Standard Practice for Calculating Viscosity Index From Kinematic Viscosity at 40 and 100°C

The Viscosity Index is calculated as such:
 

 

As Microsoft Excel sees it:

VI = 100+(10^(LN((EXP(1.0727+0.6175*LN(cSt@100)+0.9744*(LN(cSt@100)^2)+(-0.3764)*(LN(cSt@100)^3)+0.04824*(LN(cSt@100)^4)))/cSt@40)/LN(cSt@100))-1)/0.00715

 

On a lovely Sunday morning, the ambient temperature may be 21C (70F). Motorcycle forks will run in the 26C (78F) temp range, rear shocks will run in the 65C (150F) range and rear reservoirs will be around 43C (110F). While motorcycle rear shocks require very high VIs (over 300) to function well over such a huge temperature range, motorcycle forks and bicycles do not. Anything over 100VI will be serviceable for them.

Synthetic, Mineral, and additives

Some suspension oils are synthetic vs. mineral. These are very high quality oils and most general service applications do not require their use. You should, however, consider synthetic oil for performance applications. My Penske rear shock does require a full synthetic oil. Most oils on the market are either full mineral oil or a blend of mineral and synthetic oils. Almost all suspension oils will contain viscosity modifiers, seal conditioners, and anti-foam agents.

Generalities

Most cartridge type forks use a viscosity of 16 cSt@40C. (Except for Ohlins R&T, 19 cSt@40) Most damper rod type forks are specd for a viscosity of 34 cSt@40C. (Basically ATF Fluid) although most setups require far thicker for adequate performance.

Ohlins Steering damper use 16 cSt @40C for street and 19 cSt@40C for enduro and MX

Ohlins Shocks get set up with Öhlins Shock Absorber Fluid No. 309 (#01306-01) (13.7 cSt@40) Penske Shocks get set up with Silkolene Pro RSF (5wt) (26.7 cSt@40)

Comercial Brands and their properties

The oil in a bike's fork or shock not only cools and lubricates the system, but is the heart of all the damping control available for the springs. All phases of the damping involve the viscosity of the oil used in the system. Oil is such a critical suspension tuning decision that is the first priority to get worked out after spring/sag choice. No matter what all of your friends say about what the greatest high speed valves are or wild shim stacks, you should agonize over oil choice. In general, Use the least viscous oil possible that produces good slow speed damping performance with the damping adjustment screws out 1 full turn from full closed. This ensures that a fair amount of fine tuning will be available for track and weather conditions.

I suggest using either Silkolene Pro RSF (PDS)(ester) or Red Line (PDS)(polyol ester) synthetic suspension oils for front and rear suspension systems. They both have very high VI numbers and have enough of a viscosity selection to produce any mix you may need. You should, however, stay with one brand whichever way you go. I have decided to use Red Line exclusively. They range from extremely thin to extremely thick, in five different viscosities. They make the oil in nearby Benicia, CA and the oils come in really pretty colors.

 

 

Viscosity, ASTM D445 (cSt) & ASTM D2270 (VI)

Brand	cSt @ 40C	cSt @ 100C	VI
Red Line (Like Water!, Clear)	5.50	2.30	344.00
Red Line (Extra Light, Blue)	9.80	4.00	402.00
Silkolene Pro RSF (2.5wt)	13.60	5.83	464.00
Red Line (Light, Yellow)	18.40	7.10	407.00
Silkolene Pro RSF (5wt)	26.70	9.46	372.00
Red Line (Medium, Red)	30.40	10.80	369.00
Silkolene Pro RSF (7.5wt)	37.00	12.00	322.00
Silkolene Pro RSF (10wt)	47.36	13.69	303.00
Red Line (Heavy)	66.80	16.00	256.00
Silkolene Pro RSF (15wt)	92.95	19.50	235.00

Suspension fluid must be changed often for optimum performance. Rear shock oil suffers from thermal breakdown due to the extreme temperatures that they operate in and shear forces under high load (hydrocracking). The fork does not suffer from this but does suffer from massive amounts of contamination from inside and outside.One more very important point must be made when talking about oil tuning. While tires may take around 10 minutes to reach their full running temperature, the rear shock on a motorcycle can take upwards of 30 minutes to fully heat up. This being the case, you should not attempt to change any settings in the suspension or make any decisions on which direction to go with oil viscosity until the bike has been ridden hard for at least 30 minutes.

Mixing Suspension Fluids

Suspension fluids can be mixed my targeting a specific kinematic viscosity at a specific temperature. Since the componenent fluids maintain a fairly straight line change in viscosity as temperature changes, a ratio mix can be devised. Accurate mixing of viscous fluids requires application or the Refutas Equation

These two charts were prepared for Red Line and Silkolene oils:

Red Line Mix
Silkolene-mix.pdf

Or you can go to Jay Lee's (jayz28 @ MTBR.com) website for a web based calculator. http://www.provire.com/index.php/mtb

Bicycle Fluids

Rock Shox

Rock Shocks OE fluid was Torco. They have since changed to Maxima 85-150 Fork Fluid for damping on most forks. 15.9 cSt.

Totem uses Maxima 235-150 for lubrication and 2.5 wt (?) for damping.

Fox

• 025-03-004-A Fox Suspension Fluid 32 oz bottle 7wt. (replaced by 025-03-008)
• 025-02-003 Fox Suspension Fluid (red)32 oz bottle 10wt. 47.36 @40, 15.69@100, 303 VI (essentially Silkolene Pro RSF 10wt)
• 025-03-008 Fox Suspension Fluid (green)32 oz bottle 10wt. 47.00 @40, 11.7@100

Marzocchi

Stock oil is Spectro. Rumours of Silkolene causing problems in Marzocchi forks exist. Be careful using this mix.

Marzocchi Oil- Marzocchi Bomber Factory Fork Oil comes stock in all bomber forks. It is synthetic and is labeled as being 7.5wt. While this oil can be ordered in the US, Marzocchi is basically repackaging Golden Spectro Cartridge Fork Fluid (125/150, Very Light). This oil is rated at 26.1 cSt@40C/5.25 cSt@100C/VI 150. A very similar oil to this is Maxima Racing Fork Fluid (125/150, 7wt). It would be preferred to run a mix of Red Line Synthetic Fork Oil of 37% Red Line (Light, Yellow) & 63% Red Line (Medium, Red). In the past I have found Marzocchi forks to work far better with a thicker oil in them.

Answer/Manitou Oil

Manitou forks use, for lubrication, Motorex Semi-Bath Fork Oil, 5W40 from Motorex of Switzerland. This is actually Motorex Motor Oil Power Synt 4T SAE 5W40, a synthetic motor oil. This oil is rated at 90.9 cSt@40C/14.6 cSt@100C/VI 169. This is some serious pancake syrup. This oil is not widely available, but can be ordered at most motorcycle dealers through K&L Supply Co. (PN# 35-3911). Similar oils do not really exist as suspension oils. Closest is Red Line (Heavy) (66.8 cSt@40C/16 cSt@100C/VI 256) or Maxima Bicycle Fork Fluid (20wt) or Maxima Fork Oil (20wt) both of which are rated at 65 cSt@40C/12.9 cSt@100C/VI 201. If you can get access to Red Line Synthetic Motor Oil 5W40, it is rated at 94 cSt@40C/15.1 cSt@100C/VI 170 and is probably your closest bet.

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Torco Racing 7 (Rock Shox 5W) pdf

•     cSt @ 40C -  016.1
•     cSt @ 100C -  5.05     
•   Viscosity Index -   285

Valvoline Fork Oil 5W  allegro link  pdf

• cSt @ 40C - 16
• cSt @ 100C - 5.6
• Viscosity Index - 339

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